aha! you should have been with me this afternoon: first patio beers of the season. my friend looked at me and said: "can you believe we're still talkin' bout this show?" "just shows you how good it is."
Lt. in the gay bar was perfect, kinda added to his personality. great to know he was a dick that liked dick! but i have to say season 5 was way too rushed!
Omar didn't really have a chance to take it like a man, reallly. All he wanted was a Pepsi some Honey Nut. Yo.
I've ranted about this incessantly, but the second season was filmed on MY TURF. I used to eat at "the greek's" all the time, and there are even a couple of scenes where you can see my former company's sign in the background. "The Boat" even Tioed up at "the office" and was actually next door to "the greek's " (55 So. Clinton St.)
Of course, at the time, I was too wrapped up in getting myself in trou=ble to have any idea about the show. Or how much more dangerous things were in "the western" compared to Brooklyn and Dundalk.
lived on vancouver island for a few years - when i was leaving, a sweet lady i knew said i could leave, but the salt air would be forever in my lungs. she said i would crave it and i do. living next to a lake can't hold a candle to that air.
In the late eighties/early nineties, I set up shop in Czechoslovakia. I was quite comfortable and loved my friends, the place, the sheer EXPLOITATION of their innocence...
BUt then I started to go a little haywire. It took me a little while to figure out exactly what the problem was, but eventually I made the connextion that that what the only period of my life when I had lived outside of smelling distance of Salt Water.
I jumped a train to Venice to test my theory, and as soon as I stepped out into that damp salty air, I felt like myself again. Shortly thereafter I returned to the university and thank god i did. I think I only have one or two of the whole gang back then still living.
it's true. there's no beating that smell,taste,feel... once you've got it, you know it. i'm from toronto, used to water, but pretty much land locked. once i got a taste for the coast, well, i cannot deny it's pull.
Yeah, but these kids today...They don't understand "water rationing" even though I work on a tug without watermakers. The level of constant showering/antibacterial soaps &c. scares the fuck out of me. In the 60's people showered a couple of times a week, and washed their hair MAYBE once a week. If they were a gurl. ANd people wonder why my constitution is so formidable and my head of hair is so thick while my "contemporaries" are all bald and weak.
On the wire there was nobody that was straightforward, honest and upright. Except for OMAR. And (implied) Michael.
When McNulty went to Stringer Bell's pad and picked up "the Wealth of Nations" it kind of made me errr...uncomfortable(?) with my satisfaction over his death because it added a great deal of ambiguity to "The Game"
McNulty certainly couldn't wrap his head around Smith, and while I believe bunk could, but couldn't be bothered. Just like me.
omar was pretty close to being a zen master. as was avon, in hindsight. i didn't have any affinity to omar until his man brandon got killed. that's when his true character came out. avon showed his true colors once he got out, saw what stringer was up to, realized the shit he had done. stringer = marlo in a weird way to me. meglomaniacs.
smithsmith, who is smith?
i have to say i was reallyreallt sad when boadie bit it. i loved that guy. and dookie? oh my god my heart done broke. fackin' dookie... .
(SITHSMITH? Adam Smith, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Smith. Wikipedia sucks, but I'm wicked lazy and it gives you a compact overview of his influence and how odd that a Ghetto Thug would be reading and implicitly applying his works to "the Game". Kind of like his attempt to impose "Robert's Rules Of Order")
Avon had a code of "honor" yet was constricted by tradition and convention so that he wasn't so much honorable as an anachronism. Prop Jor ADAPTED. Much like Feudal samurai once the BLACK SHIPS came to Japan with Commodore PERRY (great man he was) and forced western fire-arm battle techniques upon the Tokugawa Iemitsu. ( don't know all these details off the top of my head, but I know the social mechanisms at work here...)
Honey Nut was the only thing material thing (aside from Newports, but that's a vice, not a Luxury) that Omar was ever depicted as desiring. Except for his personal form of justice and code of honor (and now I'm OT because those are virtues and not material desires) Think of all the Ca$$H Omar had at his disposal at any given time Vs. the squalor he embraced. Maybe not QUITE ZEN, but Maryanna Buddhist, at the very least. He believed in honor and justice and the Baltimoron way, not the base tactics of "The Game" as they mutated and changed to the times.
It's Obvious that OMAR was a side-note in season the first. His Character was completely different, but when the producers/writers saw the audience OMAR LURVE they developed him into one of the most complex, paradoxical and intriguing characters ever on 'broadcast' television. Omar V. Jack Sheppard? or even Benry? I'm a fucking LOST fan(atic) but any given character on LOST is half-dimensional comparability to OMAR.
I believe that the only CHARACTER created in modern visual media with as much depth and complexity since the new "century" would have to be McLovin'. No. I'm making a joke. It would be a close race between Daniel Plainview and the snot nose preacher kid in THERE WILL BE BLOOD. With Plainview by a furlong.
Of course I could introduce my obsession with DEADWOOD into this, but even SWEDGIN can't hold a candle to Omar or Plainview.
I think about this shit a lot. Us Merchants don't have a great deal of external intellectual stimulation.
And I'll shut up now, before I start comparing Mifune to OMAR.
WHOA! first off - i have NO idea about lost, so the shit you survivor types are into is LOST on me. i have, however, watched enough of deadwood to know that i like it. i just replaced my dvd player and this is the next series i intend on watching from beginning to end.
i think omar lived how he lived because it was the only way he knew how. he gave money to butch and his grandma. i think he was socking away, which we only got to see when he moved south before coming back to avenge butch's death. mr.max - your analogy is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay beyond me at this point, but i have to say your intellect is quite the turn on. :) cause i'm reading and i'm getting it, just not able to articulate my point of view.
Nick cave is one of those BAD ex-girlfriend connextions. Emotionally. Which is not to say I don't fucking dig him, it's just hard to listen too. Just like what's his fucking "needle in the Hay" dude's name. Anyway I feel you. Like I said, I have WAY too much time to think about shit like this and am probably over analyzing.
I thought LOST was moronic for the first two seasons, and then after having to watch "Love, Actually" for the seventy-fifth time on one trip I picked up season 1 of lost, and it's really a gimmick, the cliff-hanger (Hey I KNEW Cliff Hanger from the Freeze back in the day!) but that doesn't mean it's without its merits. Deadwood is Far superior, but at least we know that LOST is going to have a finale rather than a sort of fizzle.
One of my favorite, and constan,t quotes on my lips comes from Elwood in the first couple of episodes : "I am Beholden to no human cocksucker in this world or the next."
"I am Beholden to no human cocksucker in this world or the next." i love this line. me thinks i have a new mantra. hahaha!
i think i picked you up via pivovision - she posted a photo of a chalk sorta drawing depicting, what i thought, was a jelly fish. MZA piped in an called me crazy (sorta), but you piped back saying that it kinda looked like a jellyfish too. i started reading you, checking in.
sf_d just happened out of boredom. was sorta suprised to see you there, too. then again, not.
i understand your aversion to nick cave - certain artists bring about the same feelings in me. but i gotta say, whenever i see your name i think: 'i'm feeling very sorry, i'ma thirsty dog'
Ih fuck. If you are Pivovision anmd MZA peeps WTF am I concerned about? You is a good person, by INHERENCE. I just saw SF-D immediately,and after they posted my journal on E_D as being the "permanent sock-puppet of dorian thorne" I get a liittle paranois about those immature fuckers somertimes. Feel me?
I am in Rhode island, will shipmout to TAMPA on MONDAY.
I fucking HATED No Country for Old men, it was cohen bros doing a faci,ilie of the cohen brothers. plus, it made no fucking sense, But that's just me. When NCFOM won over TWBB, I lost all interest in the Axademy.and Walked out on it twice. In the fifteen-dollar theatre.
This was a really good conversation. And a really good night. It's kind of creepy the way that now a days, a good interchange over the internet can get ingrained in one's memory banks as something remarkable. I don't get tecmology and how it has completely changed our socities. I should go back to school and hget my masters in soc. with my thesis in just this sort of thing.
Anyway, I know you have a real life and all, but I hear more from Shannon MONEYSHOT than I ever hear from you anymore. I'm glad you have a squeeze now (I assume) but, c'mon man...that doesn't mean we can't stay in touch. And shit. Feel me?
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Date: 2009-03-28 10:58 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-03-29 02:09 am (UTC)Where can I get all of these, If there are any more, that is?
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Date: 2009-03-29 02:15 am (UTC)if you find any more, please let me know.
apologies for sorta drifting over here: i like reading your stories, but you seem to have them all locked up now :(
Spoiler Alert!
Date: 2009-03-29 02:23 am (UTC)ps
Date: 2009-03-29 02:16 am (UTC)felt sooo bad about prop joe though
real "spoiler alert"
Date: 2009-03-29 02:24 am (UTC)And what ever happened to the "teaser" of showing that Lt. in the gay bar anyway?
Re: real "spoiler alert"
Date: 2009-03-29 02:40 am (UTC)aha! you should have been with me this afternoon: first patio beers of the season. my friend looked at me and said:
"can you believe we're still talkin' bout this show?"
"just shows you how good it is."
Lt. in the gay bar was perfect, kinda added to his personality.
great to know he was a dick that liked dick!
but i have to say season 5 was way too rushed!
Re: real "spoiler alert"
Date: 2009-03-29 02:49 am (UTC)a Pepsisome Honey Nut. Yo.I've ranted about this incessantly, but the second season was filmed on MY TURF. I used to eat at "the greek's" all the time, and there are even a couple of scenes where you can see my former company's sign in the background. "The Boat" even Tioed up at "the office" and was actually next door to "the greek's " (55 So. Clinton St.)
Of course, at the time, I was too wrapped up in getting myself in trou=ble to have any idea about the show. Or how much more dangerous things were in "the western" compared to Brooklyn and Dundalk.
Re: real "spoiler alert"
Date: 2009-03-29 02:59 am (UTC)i knew you are on the boats, never knew you were in baltimore.
i miss the sea.
(second time I've linked this in twio days! But it *was* a pivotal moment in my life.)
Date: 2009-03-29 03:10 am (UTC)Re: real "spoiler alert"
Date: 2009-03-29 03:10 am (UTC)i see newfoundland in my future
Date: 2009-03-29 03:29 am (UTC)Re: i see newfoundland in my future
Date: 2009-03-29 03:49 am (UTC)BUt then I started to go a little haywire. It took me a little while to figure out exactly what the problem was, but eventually I made the connextion that that what the only period of my life when I had lived outside of smelling distance of Salt Water.
I jumped a train to Venice to test my theory, and as soon as I stepped out into that damp salty air, I felt like myself again. Shortly thereafter I returned to the university and thank god i did. I think I only have one or two of the whole gang back then still living.
Re: i see newfoundland in my future
Date: 2009-03-29 03:55 am (UTC)victoria can still suck my ass though. :)
no subject
Date: 2009-03-29 03:58 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-03-29 04:03 am (UTC)i'm 40 too
Date: 2009-03-29 04:29 am (UTC)where?
Re: real "spoiler alert"
Date: 2009-03-29 03:51 am (UTC)he was so weathered you could smell it.
i miss that smell.
Re: real "spoiler alert"
Date: 2009-03-29 04:06 am (UTC)whiskey in the jar
Date: 2009-03-29 04:27 am (UTC)this is a good thing.
Re: whiskey in the jar
Date: 2009-03-29 04:29 am (UTC)Re: whiskey in the jar
Date: 2009-03-29 04:30 am (UTC)so noted!
Re: whiskey in the jar
Date: 2009-03-29 04:37 am (UTC)"Honey-nut" is the crucial metaphor for the entire series.
Date: 2009-03-29 04:38 am (UTC)On the wire there was nobody that was straightforward, honest and upright. Except for OMAR. And (implied) Michael.
When McNulty went to Stringer Bell's pad and picked up "the Wealth of Nations" it kind of made me errr...uncomfortable(?) with my satisfaction over his death because it added a great deal of ambiguity to "The Game"
McNulty certainly couldn't wrap his head around Smith, and while I believe bunk could, but couldn't be bothered. Just like me.
i will talk to you forever max
Date: 2009-03-29 04:52 am (UTC)smithsmith, who is smith?
i have to say i was reallyreallt sad when boadie bit it. i loved that guy. and dookie? oh my god my heart done broke. fackin' dookie... .
how is honey nut a crucial metaphor?
Re: i will talk to you forever max
Date: 2009-03-29 05:12 am (UTC)Re: i will talk to you forever max
Date: 2009-03-29 05:39 am (UTC)Avon had a code of "honor" yet was constricted by tradition and convention so that he wasn't so much honorable as an anachronism. Prop Jor ADAPTED. Much like Feudal samurai once the BLACK SHIPS came to Japan with Commodore PERRY (great man he was) and forced western fire-arm battle techniques upon the Tokugawa Iemitsu. ( don't know all these details off the top of my head, but I know the social mechanisms at work here...)
Fuck, I'm a Mifune.Kuroskowa fetishist. Please excuse me. Anyway: Honey Nut:
Honey Nut was the only thing material thing (aside from Newports, but that's a vice, not a Luxury) that Omar was ever depicted as desiring. Except for his personal form of justice and code of honor (and now I'm OT because those are virtues and not material desires) Think of all the Ca$$H Omar had at his disposal at any given time Vs. the squalor he embraced. Maybe not QUITE ZEN, but Maryanna Buddhist, at the very least. He believed in honor and justice and the Baltimoron way, not the base tactics of "The Game" as they mutated and changed to the times.
It's Obvious that OMAR was a side-note in season the first. His Character was completely different, but when the producers/writers saw the audience OMAR LURVE they developed him into one of the most complex, paradoxical and intriguing characters ever on 'broadcast' television. Omar V. Jack Sheppard? or even Benry? I'm a fucking LOST fan(atic) but any given character on LOST is half-dimensional comparability to OMAR.
I believe that the only CHARACTER created in modern visual media with as much depth and complexity since the new "century" would have to be McLovin'. No. I'm making a joke. It would be a close race between Daniel Plainview and the snot nose preacher kid in THERE WILL BE BLOOD. With Plainview by a furlong.
Of course I could introduce my obsession with DEADWOOD into this, but even SWEDGIN can't hold a candle to Omar or Plainview.
I think about this shit a lot. Us Merchants don't have a great deal of external intellectual stimulation.
And I'll shut up now, before I start comparing Mifune to OMAR.
Re: i will talk to you forever max
Date: 2009-03-29 05:57 am (UTC)types are into is LOST on me. i have, however, watched enough of deadwood to know that i like it. i just replaced my dvd player and this is the next series i intend on watching from beginning to end.
i think omar lived how he lived because it was the only way he knew how. he gave money to butch and his grandma. i think he was socking away, which we only got to see when he moved south before coming back to avenge butch's death. mr.max - your analogy is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay beyond me at this point, but i have to say your intellect is quite the turn on. :) cause i'm reading and i'm getting it, just not able to articulate my point of view.
feel me?
Re: i will talk to you forever max
Date: 2009-03-29 06:00 am (UTC)this converstion reminds me of rye whiskey
I'll feel you if you consent.
Date: 2009-03-29 06:45 am (UTC)I thought LOST was moronic for the first two seasons, and then after having to watch "Love, Actually" for the seventy-fifth time on one trip I picked up season 1 of lost, and it's really a gimmick, the cliff-hanger (Hey I KNEW Cliff Hanger from the Freeze back in the day!) but that doesn't mean it's without its merits. Deadwood is Far superior, but at least we know that LOST is going to have a finale rather than a sort of fizzle.
One of my favorite, and constan,t quotes on my lips comes from Elwood in the first couple of episodes : "I am Beholden to no human cocksucker in this world or the next."
I love it and live it.
Also:
Where the fuck did you pick me up from? SF_D?
PS! Elliot Smith!
i consent.
Date: 2009-03-29 06:58 am (UTC)i think i picked you up via pivovision - she posted a photo of a chalk sorta drawing depicting, what i thought, was a jelly fish. MZA piped in an called me crazy (sorta), but you piped back saying that it kinda looked like a jellyfish too. i started reading you, checking in.
sf_d just happened out of boredom. was sorta suprised to see you there, too. then again, not.
i understand your aversion to nick cave - certain artists bring about the same feelings in me. but i gotta say, whenever i see your name i think: 'i'm feeling very sorry, i'ma thirsty dog'
sincerely, with the best intentions :)
Re: i consent.
Date: 2009-03-29 07:17 am (UTC)Re: i consent.
Date: 2009-03-29 07:26 am (UTC)big hearts to pivo and mza!
i consent pt 2
Date: 2009-03-29 07:04 am (UTC)i think i have one of his cd's in storage... maybe.
you like him?
buried comment is buried
Date: 2009-04-03 03:53 am (UTC)dedicating my weekend to watching your movie recs and loving my kitty.
opinions forth coming.....
don't you ever shut up
Date: 2009-03-29 06:23 am (UTC)haven't seen there will be blood yet, either.... .
always, the men from the boats have the most insight.
Re: don't you ever shut up
Date: 2009-03-29 06:46 am (UTC)Re: don't you ever shut up
Date: 2009-03-29 07:00 am (UTC)NOW YOU HAVE TO TELL ME!!!
i promise to rent there will be blood, i have wanted to see it anyway.
and superbad...
Now fo get me some fucking honey-nut!
Date: 2009-03-29 07:20 am (UTC)You feel this as well?
Re: Now fo get me some fucking honey-nut!
Date: 2009-03-29 07:36 am (UTC)i will rent both tomorrow/today and get back to you.
no country for old men was GREAT!
as was MILK!
are you familiar with 18th dye? another MZA introduction.
are you on a boat, right now? off the coast of the dominican?
Re: Now fo get me some fucking honey-nut!
Date: 2009-03-29 07:49 am (UTC)I fucking HATED No Country for Old men, it was cohen bros doing a faci,ilie of the cohen brothers. plus, it made no fucking sense, But that's just me. When NCFOM won over TWBB, I lost all interest in the Axademy.and Walked out on it twice. In the fifteen-dollar theatre.
Re: Now fo get me some fucking honey-nut!
Date: 2009-03-29 08:00 am (UTC)i like ncfom, my friend did not and proceeded to bitch about it forever, ruining our running game of crib.
i will watch the i haz yer milkshake movie and get back to you.
Re: Now fo get me some fucking honey-nut!
Date: 2009-03-29 08:08 am (UTC)Re: Now fo get me some fucking honey-nut!
Date: 2009-12-27 12:34 am (UTC)Anyway, I know you have a real life and all, but I hear more from Shannon MONEYSHOT than I ever hear from you anymore. I'm glad you have a squeeze now (I assume) but, c'mon man...that doesn't mean we can't stay in touch. And shit. Feel me?